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    MoniqueApr 2, 2019 at 5:35 pm

    I don’t particularly see the point in debating it a fetus is alive (for the fellow Catholics, check out Catholics for Choice). It can’t survive without leeching from my body (lets be honest pregnancy is allowing another life to leech from you hence compromised immunity and more) so I should be able to choose whether I want to be pregnant or not. Most talking points I hear from pro-birthers imply that they they’re less concerned about reducing abortions so much as punishing women for having sex.

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    Peter SimmangMar 30, 2019 at 8:38 am

    I believe your statistics on the death rate for abortion vs. birth is off. You’ve only included numbers for the mother. I don’t have figured for infant deaths during the birth process, but it’s far below the (virtually) 100% death rate for infants during an abortion. This is the whole crux of the pro-life argument, and to overlook it is to miss an opportunity for conversation.

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    Why this article is harmfully misleadingMar 29, 2019 at 2:34 pm

    It’s crazy to me that you would acknowledge that the unborn is an alive human being –
    “it takes the lives of women in addition to their unborn fetuses” (a quote from you acknowledging the fetus as a human life)
    – and yet still advocate for their death. This is the reason why pro-lifers aren’t going anywhere. We will not stand for the pro-death culture that says human beings should be killed at convenience. So sad.

    Also, your opinion on abortion being a “safe medical procedure” is very incorrect. Please do some research. Dr. Levatino (a man who has performed countless abortions) is a great resource for the realistic information regarding the abortion procedure.

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      Frannie Kennedy-LongMar 29, 2019 at 5:34 pm

      I think my point is being misconstrued by many of the commenters. I’m not advocating for more abortions; like with any medical issue, preventative care will always be preferable (in this case birth control). I don’t think you’re engaging with the core of my argument: no matter how strongly pro-lifers feel about “death culture” or fetuses or killing “at convenience,” the fact remains that criminalizing abortion won’t help your cause. Women will still have abortions, they will just no longer be able to do so safely.
      And as for your point about abortions not being safe, they are still far safer than giving birth (0.6 deaths per 100,000 vs. 8.8 deaths per 100,000). If you’re genuinely concerned about the safety of abortion, I would think you’d also have a vested interest in keeping it legal and accessible, so women don’t have to turn to back-alley methods (which, as I mentioned in my article, is a leading cause of mortality for women). Thanks for your input 🙂

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    Dana SimmangMar 29, 2019 at 12:13 pm

    No matter which side of this debate you are ok, I would encourage all of you to go see the movie ‘UNPLANNED’ which officially opens today. As a pediatrician who works in the labor / delivery /nursery setting, I have a very hard time understanding how it is okay to intentionally end the life of an embryo / fetus / newborn / toddler / teenager / adult / elderly person.
    I do agree the best way to stop abortion is to decrease the number of unwanted pregnancies. I also help organizations that help women in crisis pregnancies. Most do it NOT by guilting them into it or verbally abusing them – definitely the wrong way to do it. We help by housing, educating and supporting until they can make it on their own.

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      Dana SimmangMar 29, 2019 at 12:20 pm

      you are ‘on’…that is. 🙂

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    Angelique LopezMar 28, 2019 at 3:39 pm

    To deny that the fetus/embryo/baby — whatever you want to call it — is a human life is to deny basic biology. From the moment of conception, that cell is undeniably human with its own unique set of DNA distinct from its parents. It is alive, and it is human, and therefore it is a human life. Regardless of whether or not your religious, many people believe that abortion is a human rights issue because of this, hence the advocacy of criminalizing abortion. And while criminalizing abortion may not reduce the numbers of abortions, it is a big step in changing how we think about abortion. I believe these are valid reasons for criminalizing abortion.
    I do agree with you that research shows that one of the most effective ways of reducing the number of abortions is through the availability and affordability of birth control. Fortunately, we do not have this problem in the US as the numbers of abortions in the US have already been dropping. That is why the pro-life movement in the US moves toward legislative means.
    As for other means of decreasing the numbers of abortions, I agree with you that criminalizing abortion should not be the only way or main way to advocate pro-life values, and that we should target the core of the problem — the unwanted pregnancies themselves. Other means of the pro-life movement include nonprofit pregnancy crisis centers, sidewalk counseling, and talking to people on an individual level.
    Another example would be A Woman’s Haven Pregnancy Crisis Center right here in San Antonio. They address the crisis directly and help these women up to 3 years after their pregnancy to help them find jobs, homes, etc. if needed.

    One last thing that confused me in your article: “Making abortion illegal… takes the lives of women in addition to their unborn fetuses.” Doesn’t that mean you believe the fetus is alive?

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      Frannie Kennedy-LongMar 28, 2019 at 5:24 pm

      Hi Angelique, thank you for responding to my article!
      As for your first point, I don’t believe “life” is purely a matter of biology; it is also a philosophical issue. Where we draw the line between “alive” and “not alive” varies throughout history and cultures. Again though, my point stands regardless of when any individual (or even the greater scientific establishment) believes life begins.
      Regarding your second point, that criminalizing abortion may not reduce abortions but will change “how we think about abortion,” I would love some clarification here! Who exactly do you think will change their minds, and in what way? As the data clearly shows, pregnant women won’t change their minds about abortions, as abortion rates are consistent (or even higher) whether it is criminalized or not. The only change in thinking I can imagine is that our society might collectively think that women should be penalized for exercising bodily autonomy, which is exactly what I’m against.
      I agree with you that large gains have been made in terms of the accessibility and affordability of birth control, but we cannot take this for granted. The current administration is considering overturning Obamacare, which would make it far harder for a lot of women to get birth control. Birth control needs to be constantly fought for, secured, and expanded.
      I do realize that the pro-life movement offers some beneficial services to women, and I have no issue with those services. But again, my overall point is that criminalizing abortion will always be harmful and ineffective. If the pro-life movement stopped trying to push criminalization of abortion, and instead provided aid to pregnant women and new mothers, I wouldn’t take issue with the movement as a whole.
      Finally, regarding the quote from the article: I don’t believe that fetuses are alive, but there are plenty of people (both pro-life and pro-choice) who do. I was trying to appeal to that perspective; the idea was to convey to people who believe criminalizing abortion saves lives that, according to their beliefs, it would actually take more. I understand your confusion, though, and wish I had better clarified that in the article!
      If you’d like to discuss this issue further, I would be happy to. 🙂

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      Gabriel OdomMar 28, 2019 at 9:58 pm

      As a pro-choice person I kind of agree/disagree. I do agree that I think there’s no point in arguing whether or not a fetus is alive or not. It clearly is. For me, it’s more the matter of whether or not the state can tell women what to do with their bodies. Generally, pro-life people argue from a religious position, which would violate the Establishment Clause of the Constitution. A more legitimate argument could be made from the position that abortion is murder.
      We have to weigh the pros and cons here. We would have thousands of unwanted, destitute children. I don’t think that either government welfare or private charity could close that disparity. Secondly, oftentimes these crisis pregnancy centers purposefully verbally abuse women, trying to “guilt” them into changing their minds. Some even present women with purposefully misleading information. Does this seem like an appropriate thing to do to vulnerable mothers? I don’t think so.
      Lastly, I think that there is a tendency especially among more religious people to simultaneously block access to contraceptives and decry abortion. Does this seem fair? I don’t think we can stop people from having sex. I don’t think the author did a great job with this article. I found it rather cliched and contradictory. Your argument logically made more sense. But I think there are some issues here that are certainly not being addressed.

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